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| + | There's probably justification to add a row for prenasalized voiced stops. Also, we haven't seen any evidence that i and ɪ, or u and ʊ, are contrastive. Might be a short/long alternation. [[User:Jevon|Jevon]] 16:57, 21 September 2012 (UTC) |
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| − | The phonological inventory of Bari consists of many consonants and vowels, which have many interesting properties. |
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| + | We sure have a lot of attested stops, but not a lot of minimal pairs for homorganic stops with the same voicing. How sure are we that, for instance, the implosive voiceless stops aren't simply how voiceless stops are realized in Serer? Our informant speaks multiple languages, so he would presumably be sensitive to interlanguage articulatory distinctions; perhaps there are fewer intralanguage distinctions. [[User:Jevon|Jevon]] 15:40, 24 September 2012 (UTC) |
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| − | A tentative consonant inventory of Bari: |
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| − | {| class="wikitable IPA" style="margin: 0 auto;" |
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| − | ! [[Labial consonant|Labial]] |
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| − | ! [[Dental consonant|Dental]] |
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| − | ! [[Alveolar consonant|Alveolar]] |
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| − | ! [[Palatal consonant|Palatal]] |
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| − | ! [[Velar consonant|Velar]] |
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| − | ! [[Glottal consonant|Glottal]] |
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| − | ! [[Pharyngeal consonant|Pharyngeal]] |
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| − | !colspan="2"|[[Nasal stop|Nasal]] |
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| − | | m |
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| − | | n̪ |
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| − | | n |
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| − | | ɲ |
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| − | | ŋ |
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| − | !rowspan="3"|[[Stop consonant|Stop]] |
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| − | !class="small"|[[Voiceless consonant|voiceless]] |
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| − | | p ~ pʰ ~ ɸ |
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| − | | t̪⁽ʰ⁾ |
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| − | | tʰ |
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| − | | k ~ kʰ, (kᵂ) |
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| − | | ʔ |
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| − | !class="small"|[[Voiced consonant|voiced]] |
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| − | | b |
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| − | | d |
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| − | | ɟ |
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| − | | g |
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| − | !class="small"|[[Implosive consonant|implosive]] |
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| − | | ɓ |
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| − | | ɗ |
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| − | !colspan="2"|[[Fricative consonant|Fricative]] |
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| − | | ɸ |
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| − | | s, (z) |
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| − | | (ʕ) |
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| − | !colspan="2"|[[Liquid consonant|Liquid]] |
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| − | | l, r |
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| − | !colspan="2"|[[Glide consonant|Glide]] |
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| − | | j |
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| − | A tentative vowel inventory of Bari: |
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| − | ! [[Front vowel|Front]] |
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| − | ! [[Central Vowel|Central]] |
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| − | ! [[Back Vowel|Back]] |
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| − | |- |
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| − | !colspan="3"|[[High vowel|High]] |
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| − | |i |
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| − | |ɨ |
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| − | |u |
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| − | |- |
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| − | !colspan="3"|[[High-mid vowel|High-mid]] |
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| − | |ɪ |
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| − | | ʊ |
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| − | |- |
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| − | !colspan="3"|[[Mid vowel|Mid]] |
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| − | |e?, ɛ |
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| − | |ə |
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| − | |ɤ, o, ɔ |
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| − | |- |
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| − | !colspan=3| [[Open vowel|Open]] |
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| − | |æ |
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| − | |a |
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| − | This vowel chart needs a lot of editing, in terms of organizing the vowels better & making it look prettier overall. [[User:Erin|Erin]] 00:33, 7 September 2012 (UTC) |
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| − | There's probably justification to add a row for prenasalized voiced stops. Also, we haven't seen any evidence that i and ɪ, or u and ʊ, are contrastive. Might be a short/long alternation. [[User:Jevon|Jevon]] 16:57, 21 September 2012 (UTC) |
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==Tricky Sounds== |
==Tricky Sounds== |
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Revision as of 08:40, 24 September 2012
This is the talk page for the Bari Grammar. The talk page is simply another wiki page, but one where you can speak freely about or comment on the contents of the main page without adding a bunch of "stuff" to the grammar itself.
Phonology
There's probably justification to add a row for prenasalized voiced stops. Also, we haven't seen any evidence that i and ɪ, or u and ʊ, are contrastive. Might be a short/long alternation. Jevon 16:57, 21 September 2012 (UTC)
We sure have a lot of attested stops, but not a lot of minimal pairs for homorganic stops with the same voicing. How sure are we that, for instance, the implosive voiceless stops aren't simply how voiceless stops are realized in Serer? Our informant speaks multiple languages, so he would presumably be sensitive to interlanguage articulatory distinctions; perhaps there are fewer intralanguage distinctions. Jevon 15:40, 24 September 2012 (UTC)
Tricky Sounds
Kelsey and I have been having a really hard time trying to figure out what our spectrograms mean for stops (ejectives and implosives in particular). What are the hallmarks of an ejective stop vs. a regular stop vs. an implosive stop? We have noticed that a lot many of the things that we have been writing as implosives have creaky vowels. Is this something particularly associated with implosives? But we have examples of creaky vowels accompanying non-implosive stops. Similarly for what we have been calling "tense" stops, is the double release of ejectives what we should be associating with these sounds? What cues have you all been taking to make these decisions?--Mel 03:59, 21 September 2012 (UTC)
Morphology
This is where morphology talk should go.
